[dar-list] dar-list Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5
Maura Greenman
Maura at everywareinc.com
Fri Apr 11 17:01:52 ADT 2008
Stepping out of lurkdom for this--hello, Darlisters. I've been out here
all the tiiiiiiimmmmmme. :)
No one could ever replace Dar. But as an up-and-comer (though these been
around for years) I'd nominate Kris Delmhorst. Great songwriter, super
musician, and gorgeous, soothing voice.
Have a great time in NoHo. Wish I could join y'all. Tell Dar I said
Happy Birthday to her, and to Stephen, too!
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> 1. Re: Dar & the Nields (Joanne Nanna)
> 2. Re: Dar & the Nields (Wood Alexander)
> 3. Who's the New Dar? (Jim Gottlieb)
> 4. who is the next dar (Sharon G)
> 5. Re: Who's the New Dar? (melodyschlottman at comcast.net)
> 6. Re: Who's the New Dar? (Rob Wynne)
> 7. Re: Who's the New Dar? (Rob Wynne)
> 8. Re: Who's the New Dar? (Ellen Rawson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:20:31 -0400
> From: "Joanne Nanna" <jnanna at erols.com>
> Subject: Re: [dar-list] Dar & the Nields
> To: <dar-list at folkserv.net>
>
> I'll be there also, making the drive north from DC. I'm
> leaving Friday around noon, and staying in Chicopee. The NoHo
> hotel I wanted was already booked.
> Always great to see Dar around her birthday, since, mine is
> only 2 days earlier.
>
> Joanne
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Wood Alexander <manchwoods at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [dar-list] Dar & the Nields
> To: Dar Williams Discussion List <dar-list at folkserv.net>
>
> My wife and I will be there too. Would love to schmooze with
> some Dar-listers. Unfortunately I don't have a hemp T-shirt
> or other such identifying garb, but if others wear theirs
> maybe we can identify each other!
>
> Alex
>
>
> --- Joanne Nanna <jnanna at erols.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll be there also, making the drive north from DC.
> > I'm leaving Friday around
> > noon, and staying in Chicopee. The NoHo hotel I wanted was already
> > booked.
> > Always great to see Dar around her birthday, since, mine is only 2
> > days earlier.
> >
> > Joanne
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:20:17 -0700
> From: Jim Gottlieb <jimmy at TokyoJim.com>
> Subject: [dar-list] Who's the New Dar?
> To: dar-list at folkserv.net
>
> This is a question based on a discussion held at the post
> Falcon Ridge dinner last year. Someone mentioned that the
> number of volunteers at Falcon Ridge had been much less than
> in previous years, and I wondered if that might be because
> there are fewer young people (who would be more likely to
> volunteer due to a lack of funds) attracted to the festival.
>
> When I started attending Falcon Ridge in 1997, people like
> Dar and The Nields had huge teenage followings. But now that
> they (and their fans) have aged and are raising families, I
> don't think today's kids can really relate to them as they
> once did. The lack of traffic on this list, I think, further
> proves the lack of Dar Williams enthusiasm bubbling these
> days. Heck, even Ani is married now!
>
> And I don't see anyone of that stature taking Dar's place.
> There are many young folk artists that I think are really
> talented, but I'm not sure any of them are at Dar's level in
> terms of attracting huge crowds.
>
> Am I wrong? I hope so. Who is out there in the folk world
> right now who can attract a thousand teenagers to a festival
> the way Dar once did and inspire the same kind of fanaticism?
> --
> Jim Gottlieb
> http://TokyoJim.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:02:50 -0400
> From: "Sharon G" <sdgold60 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [dar-list] who is the next dar
> To: dar-list at folkserv.net
>
> Jim raises an interesting question...... Who is the next Dar Williams?
> when i listen or Dar and I probably have heard the most live
> concerts and i have finally settled that Dar has the writing
> chops of Joni Mitchell ( as well as some of her high notes),
> the vocal equal of Judy Collins ( Dar herself will tell you
> that Sandy Denny and Judy were strong influences -actually
> there is one more woman who is deceased that Dar emulates- i
> keep forgetting but not freezing) and the love of humanity of
> Joan Baez. Dar's love of the Hudson and Hudson Valley are
> pure Pete Seeger so its obvious Dar is the heir apparent to
> those generational songwriters and song stylists.
>
> I go to Falcon Ridge and hear many young women who play
> guitar like Ani Difranco. It is obvious that they found folk
> music through Ani and now some whose songs sound like a Dar
> Williams song......
>
> of all the artists i hear, Sorry jim...... I am still
> waiting for the next Dar williams....
>
> Sorry..... I wont be in Noho....... school ends at 3 and i
> have tickets to the African Skies part of the Paul Simon 3
> part residency at Brooklyn Academy of Music...
>
> send reports ......
>
> sharon
>
> --
> But now I'm grown and I speak like a woman and I see with a
> woman's eyes And an open door is to me now like the saddest
> of goodbyes It's too late for turning back, I pray for the
> heart and the nerve
>
> And I rely upon the moon, I rely upon the moon I rely upon
> the moon and Saint Christopherver mary chapin carpenter
>
> sage advisor, does weary mean wiser
> dar williams
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:16:25 +0000
> From: melodyschlottman at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [dar-list] Who's the New Dar?
> To: Dar Williams Discussion List <dar-list at folkserv.net>
>
> I agree - it is difficult to get people of any age interested
> in great music in today's world. But i do believe there are
> other great artists out there worthy of huge crowds. Does
> anyone follow Girlyman?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Jim Gottlieb <jimmy at TokyoJim.com>
>
> > This is a question based on a discussion held at the post
> Falcon Ridge
> > dinner last year. Someone mentioned that the number of
> volunteers at
> > Falcon Ridge had been much less than in previous years, and
> I wondered
> > if that might be because there are fewer young people (who would be
> > more likely to volunteer due to a lack of funds) attracted
> to the festival.
> >
> > When I started attending Falcon Ridge in 1997, people like
> Dar and The
> > Nields had huge teenage followings. But now that they (and
> their fans)
> > have aged and are raising families, I don't think today's kids can
> > really relate to them as they once did. The lack of traffic on this
> > list, I think, further proves the lack of Dar Williams enthusiasm
> > bubbling these days. Heck, even Ani is married now!
> >
> > And I don't see anyone of that stature taking Dar's place.
> There are
> > many young folk artists that I think are really talented,
> but I'm not
> > sure any of them are at Dar's level in terms of attracting
> huge crowds.
> >
> > Am I wrong? I hope so. Who is out there in the folk world right now
> > who can attract a thousand teenagers to a festival the way Dar once
> > did and inspire the same kind of fanaticism?
> > --
> > Jim Gottlieb
> > http://TokyoJim.com/
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dar-list at folkserv.net
> > http://folkserv.net/mailman/listinfo/dar-list
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:31:52 -0400
> From: Rob Wynne <doc at america.net>
> Subject: Re: [dar-list] Who's the New Dar?
> To: Dar Williams Discussion List <dar-list at folkserv.net>
>
> Well, I think there's a lot of factors to consider. The
> music industry is currently going through a fairly dramatic
> sea-change right now, and who knows how that's going to shake
> out. On the one hand, it's much easier for small indie
> artists to connect with fans than ever before,
> thanks to the Internet and electronic distribution. This is
> both good
> and bad for any given artist -- they have more potential to
> get fans, but so does every other artist, and there's only so
> much you can listen
> to in a day. As blogger Jim Henley once remarked, "There is more
> merit in the world than any one of us are going to discover
> before we die."
>
> With regard to festival attendance and volunteerism, let's
> face it. The US economy right now isn't doing well. There's
> a big credit crunch going on, the dollar's value is at its
> lowest mark in some time, and the
> mortgage sector is in full-blown crisis. People think twice before
> spending money on things like folk festivals, especially if
> they're more than easy driving distance away.
>
> Folk/singer-songwriter music has always been a niche market
> in the US, and that means that broad market trends have the
> potential to either completely bypass it or to have an
> disproportionatly greater impact, depending on the particular trend.
>
> No one has a crystal ball that can predict what the Next Big
> Thing is.
> Will someone come along to match Dar's reach and stature.
> Yes. It's nearly inevitable. Who that will be or when that
> will happen is beyond anyone's ability to know, but history
> suggests that there will be.
>
> So, don't panic. All may yet be well. As Dwight Eisenhower
> pointed out, "In times like these, it is comforting to
> remember that there have always been times like these." :)
>
> Rob
> Sunny Side Of The Street GA
>
> melodyschlottman at comcast.net wrote:
> > I agree - it is difficult to get people of any age
> interested in great music in today's world. But i do believe
> there are other great artists out there worthy of huge
> crowds. Does anyone follow Girlyman?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Jim Gottlieb <jimmy at TokyoJim.com>
> >
> > > This is a question based on a discussion held at the post Falcon
> > > Ridge dinner last year. Someone mentioned that the number of
> > > volunteers at Falcon Ridge had been much less than in previous
> > > years, and I wondered if that might be because there are
> fewer young
> > > people (who would be more likely to volunteer due to a
> lack of funds) attracted to the festival.
> > >
> > > When I started attending Falcon Ridge in 1997, people
> like Dar and
> > > The Nields had huge teenage followings. But now that they
> (and their
> > > fans) have aged and are raising families, I don't think
> today's kids
> > > can really relate to them as they once did. The lack of
> traffic on
> > > this list, I think, further proves the lack of Dar Williams
> > > enthusiasm bubbling these days. Heck, even Ani is married now!
> > >
> > > And I don't see anyone of that stature taking Dar's
> place. There are
> > > many young folk artists that I think are really talented, but I'm
> > > not sure any of them are at Dar's level in terms of
> attracting huge crowds.
> > >
> > > Am I wrong? I hope so. Who is out there in the folk world
> right now
> > > who can attract a thousand teenagers to a festival the
> way Dar once
> > > did and inspire the same kind of fanaticism?
> > > --
> > > Jim Gottlieb
> > > http://TokyoJim.com/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dar-list mailing list
> > > dar-list at folkserv.net
> > > http://folkserv.net/mailman/listinfo/dar-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > dar-list mailing list
> > dar-list at folkserv.net
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rob Wynne / The Autographed Cat / doc at america.net
> http://www.autographedcat.com/ /
> http://autographedcat.livejournal.com/
> Gafilk 2008: Jan 11-13, 2008 - Atlanta, GA -
> http://www.gafilk.org/ Aphelion - Original SF&F since 1997 -
> http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:31:52 -0400
> From: Rob Wynne <doc at america.net>
> Subject: Re: [dar-list] Who's the New Dar?
> To: Dar Williams Discussion List <dar-list at folkserv.net>
>
> Well, I think there's a lot of factors to consider. The
> music industry
> is currently going through a fairly dramatic sea-change right now, and
> who knows how that's going to shake out. On the one hand, it's much
> easier for small indie artists to connect with fans than ever before,
> thanks to the Internet and electronic distribution. This is
> both good
> and bad for any given artist -- they have more potential to get fans,
> but so does every other artist, and there's only so much you
> can listen
> to in a day. As blogger Jim Henley once remarked, "There is more
> merit in the world than any one of us are going to discover
> before we die."
>
> With regard to festival attendance and volunteerism, let's
> face it. The
> US economy right now isn't doing well. There's a big credit crunch
> going on, the dollar's value is at its lowest mark in some
> time, and the
> mortgage sector is in full-blown crisis. People think twice before
> spending money on things like folk festivals, especially if
> they're more
> than easy driving distance away.
>
> Folk/singer-songwriter music has always been a niche market in the US,
> and that means that broad market trends have the potential to either
> completely bypass it or to have an disproportionatly greater impact,
> depending on the particular trend.
>
> No one has a crystal ball that can predict what the Next Big
> Thing is.
> Will someone come along to match Dar's reach and stature. Yes. It's
> nearly inevitable. Who that will be or when that will happen
> is beyond
> anyone's ability to know, but history suggests that there will be.
>
> So, don't panic. All may yet be well. As Dwight Eisenhower pointed
> out, "In times like these, it is comforting to remember that
> there have
> always been times like these." :)
>
> Rob
> Sunny Side Of The Street GA
>
> melodyschlottman at comcast.net wrote:
> > I agree - it is difficult to get people of any age
> interested in great music in today's world. But i do believe
> there are other great artists out there worthy of huge
> crowds. Does anyone follow Girlyman?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Jim Gottlieb <jimmy at TokyoJim.com>
> >
> > > This is a question based on a discussion held at the post
> Falcon Ridge dinner
> > > last year. Someone mentioned that the number of
> volunteers at Falcon Ridge had
> > > been much less than in previous years, and I wondered if
> that might be because
> > > there are fewer young people (who would be more likely to
> volunteer due to a
> > > lack of funds) attracted to the festival.
> > >
> > > When I started attending Falcon Ridge in 1997, people
> like Dar and The Nields
> > > had huge teenage followings. But now that they (and their
> fans) have aged and
> > > are raising families, I don't think today's kids can
> really relate to them as
> > > they once did. The lack of traffic on this list, I think,
> further proves the
> > > lack of Dar Williams enthusiasm bubbling these days.
> Heck, even Ani is married
> > > now!
> > >
> > > And I don't see anyone of that stature taking Dar's
> place. There are many young
> > > folk artists that I think are really talented, but I'm
> not sure any of them are
> > > at Dar's level in terms of attracting huge crowds.
> > >
> > > Am I wrong? I hope so. Who is out there in the folk world
> right now who can
> > > attract a thousand teenagers to a festival the way Dar
> once did and inspire the
> > > same kind of fanaticism?
> > > --
> > > Jim Gottlieb
> > > http://TokyoJim.com/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dar-list mailing list
> > > dar-list at folkserv.net
> > > http://folkserv.net/mailman/listinfo/dar-list
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rob Wynne / The Autographed Cat / doc at america.net
> http://www.autographedcat.com/ /
> http://autographedcat.livejournal.com/
> Gafilk 2008: Jan 11-13, 2008 - Atlanta, GA - http://www.gafilk.org/
> Aphelion - Original SF&F since 1997 - http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:45:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ellen Rawson <silme13 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [dar-list] Who's the New Dar?
> To: Dar Williams Discussion List <dar-list at folkserv.net>
>
> Personally, I rather like Devon Sproule, but I think
> she may have a bigger following in the UK right now
> than in her native US.
>
> Karine Polwart is getting a bit of a following as a
> political and protest singer. We just saw her perform
> in London on Tuesday night -- full house at the
> beautiful Bloomsbury Theatre. If you've not heard of
> her, check her out. She started as the lead singer of
> Malinkey, a Scottish traditional band, but her first
> solo album, Faultlines (and I do recommend starting
> with that one), won a number of BBC Folk awards.
>
> Ellen
>
>
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